“Vaccines Are The Real Bioweapon”: JUICE Debates With Anti-Vaxxer Who Believes Vaccines Are Dangerous

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Jai is a 23-year-old man working a 9 to 5 just like the rest of us. However, amidst the current pandemic and haste to get vaccinated, Jai is actively swimming against the current.

Despite receiving 2 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, Jai believes that vaccines are not what the world is making it out to be. In fact, he believes that Covid-19 isn’t the problem we should all be combating right now, it’s actually the vaccines itself.

Before we jump into the nitty-gritty of why Jai is against the vaccine, let’s rewind to simpler times – before the world was divided between pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers.

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When the first wave hit, it seemed like the world was ending. The armageddon we were all worried about in 2012 was finally hitting us 7 years later.

When scientists got to work and finally announced the vaccines, all hope was restored and collectively, the world embraced this supposed cure with open arms. However, as you already know, it was later revealed that the vaccines are not a cure, but simply a preventative measure against the deadly virus.

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It’s not uncommon to be wary of taking a vaccine that was only developed a few months ago and Jai was definitely of that belief. “Before taking it, I had to think about it 2, 3 times because it was something new,” he told me in our phone call.

He explained that most vaccines that we take have been around for years, yet the one that we’re supposed to take now to save our lives hasn’t even been around for us to fully see and experience the long-term effects of it.

In fact, the Food & Drugs Administration (FDA) even released a full list of adverse outcomes of the vaccine which you can read in full here.

That’s a fair argument, I thought to myself. But as he went on, I found myself noticing several significant holes in his argument.

“J&J has nothing to do with the medical line.”

FDA Extends Shelf Life Of Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 Vaccine To Six Months
source: Forbes

The first thing that struck me as odd was when he mentioned the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine, which has been approved for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA. He said, “J&J has nothing to do with the medical line. Thinking about them coming up with vaccines is a huge deal and it’s shocking.”

On the contrary, J&J is labelled as a medical device company that develops medical devices, pharmaceutical, and consumer packaged goods. They have since developed treatments for these categories: Cardiovascular & Metabolism, Immunology, Infectious Diseases & Vaccines, Neuroscience, Oncology and Pulmonary Hypertension.

Their manufacturer Janssen Pharmaceuticals is responsible for a plethora of different drugs which you can find the full list of here.

But nevermind that for now. The phone call continued for another hour and this first fallacy turned out to be one of many.

“Covid-19 was planned since 2002 to bring out one world, one nation, one government” 

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“When the pandemic started, it was something unexpected but true story, this was actually planned for 10 to 20 years. I’m talking since 2002. It is the ultimate plan to bring out one world, one nation, one government” he revealed.

I think what Jai really means here is that the SARS disease has been around since 2002 which is an honest mistake since Covid-19 was at first revealed to the world as SARS-CoV-2. Similar to Covid-19, SARS also resulted in a global pandemic and had symptoms such as high fever and dry cough, followed by shortness of breath, diarrhoea and in worse cases, pneumonia which leads to hospitalisation and intensive care.

The similarities are made even more stark because both diseases were a result of bats. But unlike Covid-19, SARS lasted only 8 months.

Jai then goes on a tangent stating that Covid-19 was made in labs and that ex-POTUS Barack Obama, tech mogul Bill Gates and immunologist Anthony Fauci were all involved. This is a tricky subject because until today, there has been no solid evidence that the virus was not created in a lab.

Many scientists and biologists have even called for an investigation to make sure that the virus wasn’t caused by an accidental spillover from animal to human or the release of the lab sample.

“The vaccines are the real bioweapon.”

Stemming from his belief that Covid-19 was engineered in a lab, he believes in the idea that this whole pandemic is a biowar. But unlike other people of the same mindset, Jai believes that the virus isn’t the bioweapon here but the vaccines are.

“Once you are injected with the vaccine, it’s a deadly shot.”

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Clamouring to save ourselves and each other, people around the globe jumped at the opportunity to receive the vaccine. Most people, if you’re brave enough to admit, didn’t do much research behind the vaccine before signing up for it in fear that hesitance would result in death.

But according to Jai, “Once you are injected with the vaccine, it’s a deadly shot.” He explains this by mentioning spike proteins which he deems as a “whole new level of protein that cannot be injected into the human body.”

According to him, spike proteins can cause various side effects and one of those includes death.

What are Spike Proteins?
source: News Medical

Time for a bio lesson (with a lifestyle writer)! Spike proteins are the sharp bumps that protrude from the surface of the coronavirus. They’re glycoproteins that helped Covid-19 receive its name because it looks like a crown (corona is Latin for crown).

All approved vaccines use spike proteins. Since our bodies don’t have this protein, when injected, our body will recognise it as foreign and our immune system will attack and destroy this spike protein. Through our body’s learning system, once it encounters the real Covid-19 virus, it will know that it is the enemy and will fight to get rid of it.

These proteins do not last for more than a few weeks and there is no evidence to show that it accumulates in any of our organs, thus proving that it will not cause death.

“In 2025, there will be depopulation.”

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Jai attempted to soothe me by saying, “I’m not trying to scare you, Ameera. I’m just telling you everything that I know,” but in retrospect, I don’t think I was the one that was growing anxious over the conversation.

Jai continues to harbour fear by stating that the FDA, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Institutes of Health (NIH) are all in cahoots and being bribed by an omniscient “them” to perpetuate the message for vaccinations in order to achieve depopulation by 2025.

Harping back to the one nation, one world ideal, Jai believes that by 2025, we would all be wiped out and those responsible would be able to control the world without the need for government.

To justify his beliefs, he mentions how vaccines were given to the front-liners. That includes doctors, firemen, the police, essentially everyone that is important in protecting our nation. The reason for this is so it’ll be easier to control the world once all the front-liners are dead.

“More people are dying after getting vaccinated but the media is not publishing it.”

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While we are busy worrying over the number of people who have died due to Covid-19, apparently we have not been informed that actually more people are dying after getting vaccinated. In Jai’s words, this is because the media is not reporting the “true facts” in fear of angering the people at the top.

But is this true?

According to BBC, in the UK after the introduction of the Delta variant, 58% of the deaths came from unvaccinated individuals while only 8% was made up of fully-vaccinated people. In Malaysia, as of August 18, only 4 fully-vaccinated individuals have died and they all had underlying health symptoms like hypertension, hyperlipidaemia, diabetes and stroke.

According to the CDC, 99.99% of fully vaccinated Americans against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death.

However, all of this is irrelevant to Jai because he does not believe the mainstream media. Instead, he presents to me his own research which he cited from Global Research.

The table above is the findings of VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) which aims to report any deaths after vaccination, regardless if they were caused by the vaccine.

It is important to note that members of the public can submit their reports and not just official healthcare workers. This means that some of these submissions were not verified by any government agencies.

Due to that, the CDC did not find a causal relationship between these deaths and the vaccines themselves. Despite that, Global Research (and Jai) disagrees with CDC and even implies that they are involved in a “criminal act leading to genocide.”

It will get very bad': Experts warn on Indonesia COVID surge | Coronavirus pandemic News | Al Jazeera
source: Al-Jazeera

Jai does make a point when he mentions how at least 20 Indonesian front-line doctors have died after receiving their full dose of vaccination. But what he did not mention was that they were subjected to constant exposure to the Delta variant, which has been proven to be stronger than its predecessors when it came to contraction.

That is why there are still multiple PSAs urging people to stay at home despite being fully-vaccinated because the Delta variant is still very new and alien to even scientists.

“Those who get Covid-19, the possibility of you dying is 0.05%. You can still survive it.”

During our conversation, I can hear Jai rustling with papers as if he had written his points beforehand. Unlike the sensationalised anti-vaxxers on social media, Jai takes his stance very seriously and he is not swayed by the absurdity of the vaccines turning us into cyborgs or zombies.

In fact, to the unassuming ear, everything that Jai has said is plausible, especially when he mixes in statistics and medical jargon. This makes it even more believable if you’re just having a casual conversation with him over food or drinks.

But since our conversation was a recorded interview, I had the time to research and highlight all of his points, leaving no stone unturned.

When he states as fact that, “Those who get Covid-19, the possibility of you dying is 0.05%,” I was intrigued.

In actuality, there is no set statistic or probability to determine whether or not you can survive Covid-19 after contracting it. The reality is, it depends on the person’s age, health and of course, whether or not they are vaccinated.

Covid-19 deaths per 100 non-covid-19 deaths

Here is a website with tables to illustrate how the effects of Covid-19 differs and the rate is only as low as 0.05% for those aged 0-17 years old who are in picture-perfect health. A graph is also included for easier reference.

“They don’t need oxygen. They need a cure!”

Are COVID-19 patient's lungs worse than smokers? | cbs8.com
source: CBS8

At this point in time, most of us are aware that the Covid-19 virus attacks our respiratory system. This is why doctors supply oxygen and Malaysians are going on Shopee to get Oxymeters to stay cautious of their oxygen intake.

Because the lungs are undergoing stress and are not producing the healthy blood oxygen saturation level (SpO2) above 95 percent, this is where medical oxygen is being administered to return the patient’s breathing back to normal.

But Jai disagrees and says that giving patients oxygen is hurting them instead of helping them. “They need a cure!” he exclaims over the phone.

What is the cure you may ask?

“The cure is actually Ivermectin.”

In case you missed it, the world went into a frenzy when researchers suggested using Ivermectin as a cure for the Covid-19 virus. For non-pet owners, Ivermectin is a drug given to animals to get rid of worms, but according to Jai, it’s the only viable cure for Covid-19 and its safe to be consumed by humans too.

“Ivermectin has been approved for almost 40 years already. It’s the best medicine to cure all these parasites,” he stated. He is not wrong.

The drug has been around since the ’80s, mostly to treat animals, but it has also been used on humans to get rid of parasite infections.

When news broke of Australia’s Monash University researchers experimenting with the drug and finding that it could stop the Covid-19 cell from growing within 48 hours, all bets were off.

The production and sales of Ivermectin shot through the roof as quickly as our haste to get the vaccine.

India's Ivermectin Blackout: Part II | National | thedesertreview.com
source: The Desert Review

In addition to that, an article by The Desert Review reported that on August 15, Kerala accounted for 18,582 of India’s 32,937 new cases and 102 of India’s 417 new deaths. In contrast, the Ivermectin-using state of Delhi, with nearly the same population size, recorded only 53 new cases and zero deaths.

However, before you jump to conclusions, The Desert Review has anti-vax undertones that agree with Jai’s notion that the major associations are being compromised. Their article titled, ‘Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases’ has heavy-handed messages such as,

“This graph symbolises the victory of reason over corruption, good over evil, and right over wrong. It is as significant as David’s victory over Goliath. It is an absolute vindication of Ivermectin and early outpatient treatment. It is a clear refutation of the WHO, FDA, NIH, and CDC’s policies of “wait at home until you turn blue” before you get treatment.

“No one should be able to talk you out of this – not a salesman, a drug company, a television celebrity doc, and certainly not the top doctor for the WHO or the NIH who is paid to do that.

“Will you believe this 97% eradication graph, or will you believe the propaganda pitched by the Big Media, Big Pharma, the WHO, and the FDA, who share massive financial conflicts of interest – those who say there is insufficient evidence?”

Pretty damning stuff. If they won’t believe associations like the World Health Organisation (WHO), the FDA and the Ministry of Health (MOH) then there’s really no way to fit in a rebuttal in this discussion.

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The only thing we can say is that drugs administered to animals and humans are not interchangeable. If consumed without proper advisory from doctors (which is happening right now despite numerous warnings that the drug can only be administered in a clinical trial), the symptoms include:

  • skin rash
  • nausea
  • vomiting
  • stomach distress and diarrhoea
  • swelling
  • sudden low blood pressure and liver damage
  • seizures and
  • disorientation

“Swab tests are a scam.”

Malaysia records new high as daily cases exceed 5,000, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
source: The Straits TImes

Seeing the number of cases rise every day will inject a sense of incredulity in anyone, especially Malaysians who once rejoiced in the egg that symbolised zero new Covid-19 cases. But while most of us are simply incredulous, Jai is both incredulous and skeptic.

According to him, the RT-PCR swab tests are showing false results and that the Covid-19 situation in Malaysia isn’t as bad as the daily KKM reports make it out to be.

“Swab tests are a scam. Now, whenever you get a normal cough or flu, everyone tells you to get a swab test,” he says. He then begins to explain why he believes this. Before we dissect his reasoning, we need to know how the RT-PCR test actually works.

COVID-19 Tests: Which One Should I Take?
source: Traveloka

The swab test needs to amplify the genetic material collected from our nose and throats to reach a certain detection threshold so it can determine whether we are positive or negative. The RT-PCR then goes through amplification cycles whereby the higher the number of cycles, the higher the chances of detecting viral genetic material.

The test might prove to be negative at 25 cycles, but it can be positive if it goes through 35 cycles. This is because it will still detect the remnants of the virus even when the person is no longer contagious or undergoing recovery.

The standard cycles of the RT-PCR is 35 cycles, but in Malaysia, it is 30 cycles, as stated by the MOH.

However, Jai’s research shows that Malaysia is actually going above the standard cycles by pushing it to 45 and even 46 cycles. He has yet to provide any citations to prove this number is real.

“The samples for the RT-PCR tests are actually just seasonal flu or regular flu.”

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“Think about it. Before Covid-19, when you fall sick, you think it’s a normal sickness. But why now, when you have the flu, cough or sore throat, you think it’s Covid-19. Why can’t you think it’s a normal sickness?” Jai asks. The question is only a vehicle to drive him to this actual point… that the RT-PCR tests are actually just detecting regular flu.

Is that actually possible? Well, the director of infectious disease programmes at the Association of Public Health Laboratories, Kelly Wroblewski says it isn’t. The RT-PCR test was developed specifically to detect the Covid-19 virus, not influenza.

Even if you were having both the flu and Covid-19, the test will only detect the Covid-19 virus.

“It’s not a pandemic, it’s a PLANdemic.”

Event 201, a pandemic exercise to illustrate preparedness efforts
source: John Hopkins Centre for Health Security

Remember when Jai mentioned that Bill Gates had something to do with the Covid-19 pandemic? Well, he was referring to Event 201.

Since the event was not massively publicised, most of us wouldn’t know what it is. Event 201 was a tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic.

It happened in 2019, before Covid-19 hit.

“It’s not a pandemic, it’s a PLANdemic,” Jai cleverly says.

Because the event happened before Covid-19, many people believe that they anticipated the pandemic thus prepared for it by inviting some of the world’s most influential people to the event. Hosted by Bill and Melinda Gates, the event detailed situations that should be implemented when a “flu-like” pandemic arises.

Clade X policy recommendations | JH Center for Health Security
source: John Hopkins Centre for Health Security

Contrary to Jai’s beliefs, the event was not modelled after Covid-19 therefore it did not plan the pandemic. In fact, it was modelled after the already existing SARS and the pandemic that transpired because of that. A year before, Clade X was another event that mimicked a pandemic caused by a flu-like virus.

While it may sound like a coincidence to me that Event 201 took place prior to the pandemic, to Jai, it was a calculated move.

“A lot of people here are, sorry to say, dumb actually for blindly taking the vaccine without knowing what it can do in the future.”

Countries worldwide hit records for COVID-19 deaths - Los Angeles Times
source: LA TImes

After listening to Jai’s reasons and explanations for not supporting the vaccine, I realised that his beliefs were fuelled by emotions.

During our phone call, he shared a personal anecdote, revealing that two of his loved ones had died after receiving the vaccine. In the postmortem, it stated that they died due to cardiac arrest – which is unrelated to the vaccine. This causes him great distress, leading him to believe that all of these large organisations are committing fraud.

I am no stranger to losing loved ones during our battle against Covid-19, so I empathise greatly with his grief. But in my case, it is the complete inverse and that my loved ones died because they were not vaccinated and had to undergo the full effects of the virus.

Magnetism For Kids
source: The World’s of David Darling

At the end of the day, two magnets of the same polarity will never collide. It is only when they are of different polarities that they do.

We can debate on and on but the fact is, we believe the truths that reflect our reality the most. For Jai, he saw his loved ones die from the vaccine. For me, I saw mine die from not receiving it.

To make things clear, this article is not to deride or reduce Jai’s opinions, but simply to try to understand them.

While we can never agree with each other (although it’s not from lack of trying), the least we could do is listen, process, reflect and decide for ourselves what’s best for us and the people around us.

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